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	<title>Comments on: Fear 2.0, Web 2.0, Life 2.0 &amp; Language Learning: Why &quot;stranger danger&quot; isn&#039;t.</title>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
		<link>http://languagelabunleashed.org/2008/01/08/fear-20-web-20-life-20-language-learning-why-stranger-danger-isnt/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Mar 2008 17:04:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleen:

Thank you so much for your comments and for the YouTube link... which is about to figure prominently on the front of this blog!!  Ugh indeed!</description>
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<p>Thank you so much for your comments and for the YouTube link&#8230; which is about to figure prominently on the front of this blog!!  Ugh indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:42:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry I forgot the link

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE</description>
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<p><a href="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE" rel="nofollow">http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE</a></p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
		<link>http://languagelabunleashed.org/2008/01/08/fear-20-web-20-life-20-language-learning-why-stranger-danger-isnt/#comment-752</link>
		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For those who question a need for intercultural competency...  This link was sent to me by some of our global language exchange partners living in Spain and Latin America.  They were wondering if  I thought it was true.   If this doesn&#039;t make you want to bust out of a Fear based curriculum...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For those who question a need for intercultural competency&#8230;  This link was sent to me by some of our global language exchange partners living in Spain and Latin America.  They were wondering if  I thought it was true.   If this doesn&#8217;t make you want to bust out of a Fear based curriculum&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle Gallen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Gallen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2008 21:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I enjoyed your post (and have just bookmarked your blog). I&#039;m wondering have you checked out some of the language learning communities based on social networking software that are springing up now? I&#039;m not an academic or a language teacher, I&#039;m an e-learning professional with a big interest in language learning. And the use of technology in language-learning has always intrigued me. Now easy-to-customise social networking is making it possible to mash up traditional language learning courses with live interaction with strangers from all over the globe.  I&#039;ve been reviewing sites like livemocha.com, italki.com and palabea.net on my blog www.liquidelearning.com - check it out and let me know what you think. I also reviewed an interesting web 2.0 language start-up called lingro.com, where the dictionaries are compiled by the users...I think it&#039;s well worth a look. These are not academic sites. They don&#039;t even seem to be moderated by language experts. But I wonder who many people who have no access to formal learning or who have failed to learn in formal settings will follow this route to language acquisition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I enjoyed your post (and have just bookmarked your blog). I&#8217;m wondering have you checked out some of the language learning communities based on social networking software that are springing up now? I&#8217;m not an academic or a language teacher, I&#8217;m an e-learning professional with a big interest in language learning. And the use of technology in language-learning has always intrigued me. Now easy-to-customise social networking is making it possible to mash up traditional language learning courses with live interaction with strangers from all over the globe.  I&#8217;ve been reviewing sites like livemocha.com, italki.com and palabea.net on my blog <a href="http://www.liquidelearning.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.liquidelearning.com</a> &#8211; check it out and let me know what you think. I also reviewed an interesting web 2.0 language start-up called lingro.com, where the dictionaries are compiled by the users&#8230;I think it&#8217;s well worth a look. These are not academic sites. They don&#8217;t even seem to be moderated by language experts. But I wonder who many people who have no access to formal learning or who have failed to learn in formal settings will follow this route to language acquisition?</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Jan 2008 23:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Rob:

Thank you for your comment.

I think I should probably clarify that while it may appear that   student-centric activities such as Skype exchanges with a language partner are merely  free for all free-exchanges, they are actually anything but.  But they are also not heavily monitored either.

On the other side of the exchange is a fellow language teacher.  That teacher also has a curriculum to follow and also wants to make the exchange as beneficial as possible to his or her students.  There is a great deal of planning that has to happen to set things up.  That being said,  we do not and will not control what happens once the conversations begin.  We start the ball rolling with some structured questions like &quot;Describe your school day,&quot; &quot;Describe higher education in your country,&quot; &quot;Describe an event that is in  your newspaper today and why it is significant in your town/city/country.&quot;  We all start in the same place. Where we end up depends upon them.

Lest you think otherwise, we never entered into these exchanges with the hopes of uncovering something titillating or scandalous about the other person.  That was never the point.  We talk about being respectful and how to show that respect with your words.

Please rest assured both sides of the conversation walked away with new knowledge about the other group,  knowledge that they (like us) would not have been able to achieve through more traditional means.

With regard to the Arabic-speaking women, while we did not find out about any of their pop stars, their teacher told me that it was extraordinary for the women to meet a group with such diverse reasons for learning Arabic.  Some of our students were learning Arabic of academic reasons, others had deeply personal reasons. For example, some of our students had converted to Islam.  The women were amazed that our students could recite the Holy Quran but did not understand what the words meant.  The women were fascinated by the diversity of our students (African Americans, Asians and one woman who announced that she was a Jew) as well as the different reasons they were in the class. Oh and let&#039;s not forget this fact: the women had to get signed permission from their fathers to speak with our class because we have male students.  They would not have been able to participate unless we had those signatures. So, something we take for granted daily was a major moment for our language partners.

Rob, I agree, we should be careful about not promoting one culture over another.  I also agree that much care should be taken in shaping and implementing these exchanges.  But I also believe we shouldn&#039;t monitor every word nor create a series of checks and balances.  When students (on both sides) are given the freedom to discover and explore within a respectful and collaborative environment that they have created with their partner, over time,  the amount of cultural artifacts and knowledge shared, I believe,  do balance out.

My goal is not to have all of that learning accomplished only in the class.  My goal is to have my students leave my class with a desire to learn more about the other country, culture, language (vs the ill-founded belief that they know it all). As one of my students once said &quot;the purpose of education is not to have all of the answers, rather, It is to be able to [go out into the world and] ask really good questions&quot;

Here here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob:</p>
<p>Thank you for your comment.</p>
<p>I think I should probably clarify that while it may appear that   student-centric activities such as Skype exchanges with a language partner are merely  free for all free-exchanges, they are actually anything but.  But they are also not heavily monitored either.</p>
<p>On the other side of the exchange is a fellow language teacher.  That teacher also has a curriculum to follow and also wants to make the exchange as beneficial as possible to his or her students.  There is a great deal of planning that has to happen to set things up.  That being said,  we do not and will not control what happens once the conversations begin.  We start the ball rolling with some structured questions like &#8220;Describe your school day,&#8221; &#8220;Describe higher education in your country,&#8221; &#8220;Describe an event that is in  your newspaper today and why it is significant in your town/city/country.&#8221;  We all start in the same place. Where we end up depends upon them.</p>
<p>Lest you think otherwise, we never entered into these exchanges with the hopes of uncovering something titillating or scandalous about the other person.  That was never the point.  We talk about being respectful and how to show that respect with your words.</p>
<p>Please rest assured both sides of the conversation walked away with new knowledge about the other group,  knowledge that they (like us) would not have been able to achieve through more traditional means.</p>
<p>With regard to the Arabic-speaking women, while we did not find out about any of their pop stars, their teacher told me that it was extraordinary for the women to meet a group with such diverse reasons for learning Arabic.  Some of our students were learning Arabic of academic reasons, others had deeply personal reasons. For example, some of our students had converted to Islam.  The women were amazed that our students could recite the Holy Quran but did not understand what the words meant.  The women were fascinated by the diversity of our students (African Americans, Asians and one woman who announced that she was a Jew) as well as the different reasons they were in the class. Oh and let&#8217;s not forget this fact: the women had to get signed permission from their fathers to speak with our class because we have male students.  They would not have been able to participate unless we had those signatures. So, something we take for granted daily was a major moment for our language partners.</p>
<p>Rob, I agree, we should be careful about not promoting one culture over another.  I also agree that much care should be taken in shaping and implementing these exchanges.  But I also believe we shouldn&#8217;t monitor every word nor create a series of checks and balances.  When students (on both sides) are given the freedom to discover and explore within a respectful and collaborative environment that they have created with their partner, over time,  the amount of cultural artifacts and knowledge shared, I believe,  do balance out.</p>
<p>My goal is not to have all of that learning accomplished only in the class.  My goal is to have my students leave my class with a desire to learn more about the other country, culture, language (vs the ill-founded belief that they know it all). As one of my students once said &#8220;the purpose of education is not to have all of the answers, rather, It is to be able to [go out into the world and] ask really good questions&#8221;</p>
<p>Here here.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jan 2008 19:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with several of the positive opinions/reactions/etc. expressed in previous comments. I have attended presentations by Barbara and her enthusiasm and drive are contagious. Now let me concentrate on one particular issue that I feel uncomfortable with (as do other professionals with whom we have discussed this issue). That issue is the way (and the extent to which) each side of the exchange (e.g., each conversation partner) is affected by the experience. In that effort to &quot;communicate across cultures&quot; there are a number of boundaries (social, cultural, etc.) that need to be observed. The freedom to communicate with someone in a completely different country and culture may go together with a desire to &quot;shake things up&quot; and show people a different reality. Thus, some middle-eastern women may &quot;talk excitedly, in English, about BeyoncÃ© and pop music and other very western things as part of their language exchange&quot;. The question that some of us involved in cultural studies immediately think of is: Did the counterparts (i.e., the English students) get to talk excitedely about well-known musicians in the Arab world? Did they get their names, search for the lyrics to their songs, buy their CD&#039;s, understand their philosophy, etc.? A second (related) question is: did the English students get to talk about taboo topics in their Anglo-Saxon culture  in a way that they would not talk about them in English?
If the local (US) students did not engage in those activities to the same degree their Arab counterparts did, that is one of the characteristics of what some social researchers call &quot;one-way globalization&quot;: the cultural values of one mainstream group influence (and change) the values of most other countries, with little or no changes in the opposite direction.
I have personally seen that happen plenty of times: most of the conversation topics pertain to one of the cultures, because those movies, actors, singers, food chains, etc., are something both interlocutors are familiar with. Unfortunately, in general, I have not seen the same kind of development (in terms of new knowledge about the foreign conversation partners&#039; cultures). To address that, we have had to abandon the &quot;free exchange&quot; format somewhat and provide more guidance as to what to talk about with the partner, for insance: &quot;talk about pop music in your partner&#039;s country, and do an internet search on those singers and their hit songs&quot;. Similar assignments are provided with respect to movies, food, political parties, etc.
Be it with more controlled, structured exchanges, or with other strategies, I think we have to be attentive to this issue and work hard so that  this type of social exchange is a balanced one where both cultures learn the value of their own cultural artifacts (artistic production, literary production, etc.), instead of one set of artifacts receiving more attention (and praised more) than the other.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with several of the positive opinions/reactions/etc. expressed in previous comments. I have attended presentations by Barbara and her enthusiasm and drive are contagious. Now let me concentrate on one particular issue that I feel uncomfortable with (as do other professionals with whom we have discussed this issue). That issue is the way (and the extent to which) each side of the exchange (e.g., each conversation partner) is affected by the experience. In that effort to &#8220;communicate across cultures&#8221; there are a number of boundaries (social, cultural, etc.) that need to be observed. The freedom to communicate with someone in a completely different country and culture may go together with a desire to &#8220;shake things up&#8221; and show people a different reality. Thus, some middle-eastern women may &#8220;talk excitedly, in English, about BeyoncÃ© and pop music and other very western things as part of their language exchange&#8221;. The question that some of us involved in cultural studies immediately think of is: Did the counterparts (i.e., the English students) get to talk excitedely about well-known musicians in the Arab world? Did they get their names, search for the lyrics to their songs, buy their CD&#8217;s, understand their philosophy, etc.? A second (related) question is: did the English students get to talk about taboo topics in their Anglo-Saxon culture  in a way that they would not talk about them in English?<br />
If the local (US) students did not engage in those activities to the same degree their Arab counterparts did, that is one of the characteristics of what some social researchers call &#8220;one-way globalization&#8221;: the cultural values of one mainstream group influence (and change) the values of most other countries, with little or no changes in the opposite direction.<br />
I have personally seen that happen plenty of times: most of the conversation topics pertain to one of the cultures, because those movies, actors, singers, food chains, etc., are something both interlocutors are familiar with. Unfortunately, in general, I have not seen the same kind of development (in terms of new knowledge about the foreign conversation partners&#8217; cultures). To address that, we have had to abandon the &#8220;free exchange&#8221; format somewhat and provide more guidance as to what to talk about with the partner, for insance: &#8220;talk about pop music in your partner&#8217;s country, and do an internet search on those singers and their hit songs&#8221;. Similar assignments are provided with respect to movies, food, political parties, etc.<br />
Be it with more controlled, structured exchanges, or with other strategies, I think we have to be attentive to this issue and work hard so that  this type of social exchange is a balanced one where both cultures learn the value of their own cultural artifacts (artistic production, literary production, etc.), instead of one set of artifacts receiving more attention (and praised more) than the other.</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BG:

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<p>Great ideas&#8230; Thank you!</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Colleen:  Thank you for your thoughtful response.  I am glad to hear (and maybe a bit saddened too) that you are seeing this with your students as well.

And thank you for mentioning the &quot;diversifying&quot; aspect of these tools as well...&quot;many pieces loosely joined&quot; is indeed music to the ears of many language teachers, given that for us to teach a language is also to teach to students with a variety of strengths in a variety proficiencies... some students are stronger writers than speakers, or better readers than writers, and these tools allow us to teach all of the necessary skills  at their level.

The answer to the  &quot;why&quot; question will differ based upon whom you are asking.  Open networks = open to security breaks to some, open web pages mean exposing our flaws to others.  For others still it as about controlling content and nothing more.  Ah and then we have FERPA and the copyright gods too.  But yes, all of these things limit what our students could do, with our guidance and support, using these tools.

UGG indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Colleen:  Thank you for your thoughtful response.  I am glad to hear (and maybe a bit saddened too) that you are seeing this with your students as well.</p>
<p>And thank you for mentioning the &#8220;diversifying&#8221; aspect of these tools as well&#8230;&#8221;many pieces loosely joined&#8221; is indeed music to the ears of many language teachers, given that for us to teach a language is also to teach to students with a variety of strengths in a variety proficiencies&#8230; some students are stronger writers than speakers, or better readers than writers, and these tools allow us to teach all of the necessary skills  at their level.</p>
<p>The answer to the  &#8220;why&#8221; question will differ based upon whom you are asking.  Open networks = open to security breaks to some, open web pages mean exposing our flaws to others.  For others still it as about controlling content and nothing more.  Ah and then we have FERPA and the copyright gods too.  But yes, all of these things limit what our students could do, with our guidance and support, using these tools.</p>
<p>UGG indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: Colleen</title>
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		<dc:creator>Colleen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 04:46:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have received extensive feedback from our learners about their experiences sharing life and language with someone halfway around the globe.  Our observations and their comments have mirrored your blog entry today.  We need to be open to profound life and acquisition experiences happening for us and our learners in all environments and  dimensions.  Thanks to Web 2, we can all diversify our pieces to the acquisition puzzle contact by contact, meaning negotiation by meaning negotiation and conversation by conversation.

So many inconsistencies in the stranger danger virus paranoia, firewall obsession.   I ask myself do those who impose these limits fully understand why?  Our global partners have missed out on other wonderful e-tandem opportunities with eager learners because folks don&#039;t understand the educational impact of a global language exchange.  UGGG</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have received extensive feedback from our learners about their experiences sharing life and language with someone halfway around the globe.  Our observations and their comments have mirrored your blog entry today.  We need to be open to profound life and acquisition experiences happening for us and our learners in all environments and  dimensions.  Thanks to Web 2, we can all diversify our pieces to the acquisition puzzle contact by contact, meaning negotiation by meaning negotiation and conversation by conversation.</p>
<p>So many inconsistencies in the stranger danger virus paranoia, firewall obsession.   I ask myself do those who impose these limits fully understand why?  Our global partners have missed out on other wonderful e-tandem opportunities with eager learners because folks don&#8217;t understand the educational impact of a global language exchange.  UGGG</p>
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		<title>By: Barbara G</title>
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		<dc:creator>Barbara G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jan 2008 23:19:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Laura that it&#039;s a great post (and sketch of your content for the presentation).

I&#039;d love to see you underscore the value of &quot;being shocked at least once by their ignorance of a different culture.&quot;  And how if we confront this fear of strangerdanger, its source and irrationality, we can help our students BE safe--safer, in fact, than if they recoil in fear--while they learn in the world about the world.

bg</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Laura that it&#8217;s a great post (and sketch of your content for the presentation).</p>
<p>I&#8217;d love to see you underscore the value of &#8220;being shocked at least once by their ignorance of a different culture.&#8221;  And how if we confront this fear of strangerdanger, its source and irrationality, we can help our students BE safe&#8211;safer, in fact, than if they recoil in fear&#8211;while they learn in the world about the world.</p>
<p>bg</p>
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